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This morning she did not start. I then restarted her and she fired up right away. As for the radio being on I can’t tell as it is a KENWOOD and takes a few seconds to light up when car starts. Drove her around today and started her with no issues three times. I might be up for the knucklehead of the year award. When I started her this morning and nothing happened I only had the clutch depressed but not the foot brake. The underground parking lot is flat hence me not using brake. The other starts I did today which all worked I had both the clutch and the foot brake depressed. Could this be it?
 

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This morning she did not start. I then restarted her and she fired up right away. As for the radio being on I can’t tell as it is a KENWOOD and takes a few seconds to light up when car starts. Drove her around today and started her with no issues three times. I might be up for the knucklehead of the year award. When I started her this morning and nothing happened I only had the clutch depressed but not the foot brake. The underground parking lot is flat hence me not using brake. The other starts I did today which all worked I had both the clutch and the foot brake depressed. Could this be it?
To aid in finding the problem I suggest that you change your routine a bit. Turn the key to on and wait to see what happens. Then try to start. If it doesn't start, wait a again before turning it off to try again. If it does start, try to remember what came on and when so that you will recognize what is different if it doesn't work.
 

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To aid in finding the problem I suggest that you change your routine a bit. Turn the key to on and wait to see what happens. Then try to start. If it doesn't start, wait a again before turning it off to try again. If it does start, try to remember what came on and when so that you will recognize what is different if it doesn't work.
Good science! I will do that. Thanks.
 

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There are people, and I think NS is one of them, who do not have access to power where they store their car. For them, disconnecting is the only valid option.
And I assume that you mean battery maintainer and not literally a trickle charger, as a trickle charger can easily overcharge and damage a battery.

I do suggest disconnecting power at the underhood fuse block instead of at the battery.
Sorry you are correct is a battery maintainer. The battery needs to be replace is damaged period. If you have no power then try to take the battery some place where you can put a battery maintainer otherwise it will get damaged.
 

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To aid in finding the problem I suggest that you change your routine a bit. Turn the key to on and wait to see what happens. Then try to start. If it doesn't start, wait a again before turning it off to try again. If it does start, try to remember what came on and when so that you will recognize what is different if it doesn't work.
Hello John,
I turned her to ON and gauge cluster and radio lit up. I then tried to start her and nothing and no sounds. Turned her off. Then turned her to ON and gauge cluster and radio lit up. Again went to start and nothing. Third time she started right up. Drove to gym. Worked out and came back to her and she started right up.
Thanks.
 

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FYI I replaced my original battery (lasted 8 years) in April 2015.
 

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OK, one more question: When the engine doesn't start, does the radio go off while you are trying to crank the engine?
 

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OK, one more question: When the engine doesn't start, does the radio go off while you are trying to crank the engine?
Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I missed this. Just went down to start her to check and of course she fired right up. My guess is the radio does not go off. This morning she took three times to start. Fourth time fired right up. Did some errands and two times she did not start then second time fired up. As I mentioned she now just started right away.
 

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Whether or not the radio goes off will help pinpoint the problem, as the radio should go off while cranking. If it does not go off the problem is in the ignition switch contact that commands the BCM to operate the starter. If the radio does go off the command is being sent, but either the starter relay in the underhood fuse block or the starter itself are sticking.

I would turn the ignition on and make sure the radio is on, then turn the key to crank and check to see if it goes off while the key is in that position.
 

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Whether or not the radio goes off will help pinpoint the problem, as the radio should go off while cranking. If it does not go off the problem is in the ignition switch contact that commands the BCM to operate the starter. If the radio does go off the command is being sent, but either the starter relay in the underhood fuse block or the starter itself are sticking.

I would turn the ignition on and make sure the radio is on, then turn the key to crank and check to see if it goes off while the key is in that position.
Thank you. Will do this and report back tomorrow.👍
 

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JohnWR,
Turned her to on and KENWOOD unit was on. Cranked her and KENWOOD goes off.
 

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That is what should happen. Did that also happen when the engine didn't crank?

If the radio goes off when the key is turned to crank, the switch is OK. If it doesn't the switch has a problem.

Now I think it is down to the crank relay in the UFB and the starter itself. I would first reseat all of the fuses and relays in the UFB.
 

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That is what should happen. Did that also happen when the engine didn't crank?

If the radio goes off when the key is turned to crank, the switch is OK. If it doesn't the switch has a problem.

Now I think it is down to the crank relay in the UFB and the starter itself. I would first reseat all of the fuses and relays in the UFB.
Yes. When the engine did not crank everything went off. Gauge cluster and radio. So, you are ruling out the battery?
Appreciate your help and knowledge on this. I will be taking her into my dealership this Wednesday and I now feel much more informed.👍
 

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I'm not sure that I would ever completely rule out anything, but this does not appear to me to be battery.

A sticking relay seems the most likely to me, but a corroded battery connector is always a possibility.

The only way to narrow it from here is going to be voltage measurements at various places, preferably while it doesn't crank.
 

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I'm not sure that I would ever completely rule out anything, but this does not appear to me to be battery.

A sticking relay seems the most likely to me, but a corroded battery connector is always a possibility.

The only way to narrow it from here is going to be voltage measurements at various places, preferably while it doesn't crank.
Ok. Thanks again. I will go armed with this info and have them investigate. I will report back with outcome.
 

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CLUTCH SWITCH!

There is a switch on your clutch pedal mechanism that must be made before the starter will engage. This is to keep your car from "lurching" forward or backward if you're in gear and the starter is engaged - you have to have the clutch fully depressed. When these switches start to go bad (or out of position, but usually bad) the contacts will not be made cleanly and repeatably. This is why sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't.
 

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CLUTCH SWITCH!

There is a switch on your clutch pedal mechanism that must be made before the starter will engage. This is to keep your car from "lurching" forward or backward if you're in gear and the starter is engaged - you have to have the clutch fully depressed. When these switches start to go bad (or out of position, but usually bad) the contacts will not be made cleanly and repeatably. This is why sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't.
I will bring this up at the dealership tomorrow morning. Thank you and JohnWR.
 

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The Winner is?????

Chicken Wire. They have diagnosed it as a CLUTCH SWITCH. $12.00 part that they have to get from USA. Will take a week and a bit to get here. Having two Sols is paying off!!!!! I am bringing her home until part comes in. They have quoted hour and a half of labour. Looks like it will be around $200 total so not bad. Thanks again to everyone for their help on this and major kudos to JohnWR and Chickenwire.👍
 
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