I cannot disagree that power windows add to the complexity of a car, and the extra mechanical bits make it more likely that a failure could occur. However, I do not think it is a problem to be overly concerned with. Most cars do not suffer tons of power window failures. Sure some have power window motors burn out and need replacement, and that is a pain. Crank windows should work until the end of time. Yet, I have seen tons of very old cars with high mileage on their original power window motors. I do not think bad power window motors is an epidemic.RODEO said:No body mentioned the operational/repair cost of electric windows, i've seen so many fairly older cars with broken electric windows, and it seems the cranks hold out longer, but I could be wrong. I prefer cranks in thinking less to go wrong with the vehicle (this being I hold onto my cars for years, I'm not a leasee). Let's hear from those of you that might think electric windows are not a long term cost issue, maybe you can swing my vote!
Padgett has a valid point, power window motors are a lot easier to replace than the crank tape. Both power and crank windows can fail. The ratio of power to crank windows is far higher now a days, so naturally you will more about power window problems than you will crank. All my vehicles have power windows and my Solstice will be no exception. Here's a tech tip, next time pop those rivets out with 1/4" drill bit.padgett said:Had the tape crank window in my son's GA fail and it was a real PITA to change. Hardest thing about a power window motor is driving the centers out of the rivets (had a few that would not budge with a normal hammer).
Believe it or not, I have it on good authority (from a friend who supplies window crank and an interior systems for many OEM vehicles) that in some cases, pwr windows are actually lighter than their crank counterparts. In worst cases nowadays, crank windows only save about 24 oz total on the whole car weight. I believe the corvette is actually a wash as far as weight goes.AeroDave said:...
The only other agrument in favor of cranks is weight. You might be able to save as much as 7-8 lbs if you delete the electric windows and mirrors. That's not a lot of weight, but for people who are obsessed with weight to the point they are willing to spend tons of money on cabonfiber hoods to maybe save 10 or 15 lbs, it should be a consideration. Personaly, I could swayed either way. It will all depend on the option packages.
I believe it. Electric motor technology is so much more efficient than it used to be, that motors can be alot smaller. I'm not against power windows now, I'll probably end up getting them in my Solstice, but having repaired power systems and AC systems in older 50's and 60's cars has made me prejudiced against them for reliability reasons for many years. I used to say I don't want power anything and no AC in my new cars, but time has shown me that those systems are much better now, and I'm getting over it. My last car has gone almost 10 years without really having to charge the AC and nothing has failed. So I feel better about being too lazy to crank up the windows! :rolleyessolsticeman said:Believe it or not, I have it on good authority (from a friend who supplies window crank and an interior systems for many OEM vehicles) that in some cases, pwr windows are actually lighter than their crank counterparts.