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Optimal tire and wheel size

1.2K views 7 replies 5 participants last post by  rob the elder  
#1 ·
Hey all. So, still waiting on my rollbar before being able to take out the Kappa but I'm having fun obsessing over all the little details. One such detail is tire/wheel size. I've got enough powertrain mods on the way to where I should hopefully be seeing 320-340 at the crank (a little less since I'm at altitude). Since this is a good bit more power than GM envisioned for the car I was operating under the assumption that I would want to go with a wider tire. From what I'm hearing we can fit 275 given enough offset. However, my buddy hit me with this link showing that what you really want is a narrower tire on a wider wheel. This has kind of thrown me through a loop as it seems to be indicating I'd want to go to something like a 10.5" wheel and stay with 245s or 255s. I'm accustomed to seeing super wide tire patches out at the track so it feels like this article is not common knowledge.

For those of you doing AutoX, HPDE or competitive racing in your Kappas, could you clue me in on what a good tire and wheel size would be?
 
#2 ·
Once you get to those power levels, the limiting factor is the axles. At 400 plus WHP the axles can and do fail if you apply too much power too quickly. When Dave returned my car with 440 WHP he said do NOT change the factory tire size because it would start failing the axles.

Do your homework and make your own decision.

I run stock size tires and am very happy with them. But I don't track the car.

RTE
 
#8 · (Edited)
No

The choice is driven by your use case. If you are going around corners then more grip is generally better. If you are putting a lot of torque into the rear tires and exceeding the strength of the rear axles, then more grip is not a good thing.

In my case, I have followed Dave's recommendation and stayed with grippy stock size tires. I can get as much grip as I want in curves but do not worry that I will break something.

At 400 hp and up, in my experience, you need to turn off TC or you will be frequently experiencing fuel cut off due to momentary loss of traction. This is not a good thing. :)

With TC "off" you can enjoy the limits of the car without worrying that you will break something.

I don't track the car but enjoy spirited street driving. It is worry free with stock tires. And I get plenty of grip for my driving needs.

RTE
 
#6 ·
275/40/18 on 18x9 +51 all around for me.

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I've seen the tire comparison video on YouTube. All of it was done on factory alignment. It's good data, but more variables are needed. There are definitely cases where a narrower tires is just as fast or even a touch faster, but they don't do as well with heat, so it becomes a balance.
 
#7 ·
Tire Rack does some of the sloppiest testing I've ever seen. I appreciate that they tried, but often times bad data is worse than no data.

That said - the "use the widest tire you can smash onto the wheel" mantra began and still applies only to racing slicks. Treaded tires are built different and while I have yet to see any data I trust that proves you'll actually be slower with too wide of a tire for your wheel, there is certainly a point where you stop being faster. Generally speaking, the contact patch doesn't lie, and you can make it wider either by going with a wider tire or a wider wheel, preferably both. The human element also comes into play here, as a pinched tire is much more difficult and unpredictable to drive on.

If you're planning on tracking and streeting the car, I'd use something similar to Yamaha's setup, maybe on a 9.5" wheel if you can find them. Shabby's (the standard issue 315 on a 18x11) for autox only.

As far as axles - yeah, they break, but it's not that common and like anything comes down to how you treat the car. A 245 drag radial will break an axle or diff quicker than a 325 Pilot Sport ever would, so If that's what you're worried about you might as well screw a block of wood under the throttle pedal as well, or just keep the car under a cover in the garage and trailer it to your weekly cars and coffee.