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Coupes getting hard to find?

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#1 ·
Currently there are 15 unique ads listing coupes for sale in the the major for auto sale media; Cars.com, Autotrader and EBAY. Prices ranged from $23k to $39K.

Two years ago when I was looking for a coupe, there were approximately 40 coupes listed for sale in the same media. Prices then ranged from about 19K to $39K. So it looks like the supply has diminished and prices at the low end have moved up. Not sure how one got there but a few days ago CARMAX had a NA coupe. They ship nationwide if anyone is looking.

I know folks discuss "appreciation" in a few other threads. The supply side looks favorable, but demand isn't pushing prices much right now. Personally, I'm happy with prices holding while I "appreciate" driving my car.
 
#2 ·
Given the relatively low production number for the coupe, they will continue to get harder to find, as will 'verts and Skys for that matter, but I wouldn't count on those prices holding up - even for the garage queens - and they will all likely end up being lousy investments for making money.

HOWEVER (and I shudder a bit as I approach this inexplicably controversial topic) as an investment in f-u-n, the Solstice and Sky are among the best cars ever built. Can't beat the bang for the buck in terms of styling or performance (well the GXP/Redlines anyway), and in the future when electric appliances are the norm, our cars will be more desirable than just another Miata or Mustang.

I got waaay lucky when I bought mine new off the lot with a big GM rebate for leftover Pontiacs and Saturns, and got a kick out of realizing that my coupe was worth more than I paid for it for several months - until I took it on an epic road trip and cracked the windshield and incurred some road rash - but that was never the point. I bought the car because the bargain was a no-brainer, and have grown so fond of it I'll probably be buried in it.
 
#4 ·
I love the car it handles, good fuel economy and it turns heads everywhere I go. Once the car is out of the body shop I will put in more miles and no it is not for sale. When I found out that they had stopped production and what you saw was what there was. I started to look for a NA Solstice Coupe. Why pay extra for a GXP with a bigger 4 cylinder motor, when I was going to transplant the motor? I was reading somewhere in this forum where Lowlife1 came up with a great idea about forming a coupe cartel in a market where the industry is dominated by a small number of sellers. Agreements to fix prices. I like it.......
 
#9 ·
I was reading somewhere in this forum where Lowlife1 came up with a great idea about forming a coupe cartel in a market where the industry is dominated by a small number of sellers. Agreements to fix prices. I like it.......
Sure - I'll start by listing mine for $1 million. For another $2 million I might consider including my 14-year-old arthritic hound dog in the sale.

My point is, coupes are cars not commodities, and should be thought of as such. (IMHO, YMMV ;) )
 
#6 ·
I also got the GM incentive (something like $6K off list, but then Canadian list was also higher than the US pricing) when I bought mine new.

It is nice if you happen to have a car that may depreciate a little slower than other cars, but that's as good as it gets. You won't live long enough to make a true calculated profit on any of them.

I agree that the best profit is taken in enjoyment and driving them (driving mine today - put the Fiero away for the winter last week).

I also suspect that many of the coupes have landed with homes that may last them awhile. The first shuffling about with some buyers selling them on when they discovered they didn't like them as much as they thought they would, as well as the few trying to make a profit on a 'collectible' car has pretty much ended and the current owners may well keep the cars until they lust after something else or something changes in their lives.

There will still be a few new ones held by collector/speculators. We saw a brand new Fiero appear recently more than 20 years after the car left the factory, with less than 100 miles on it. They failed to sell it for asking price.
 
#10 · (Edited by Moderator)
Well, of course there are less and less Solstice Coupes. And 21st Century Insurance is at fault.

I've seen probably 20 of their commercials, and each time they DESTROY two Solstice Coupes. That's at least 40 gone that I know of!

Damn insurance company!

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#15 ·
Do you ever watch peoples' faces in your rear view mirror at stoplights?

Sometimes they're funny... first is the puzzled expression, and you can almost hear them thinking "what is that?"

Then, often as not, you can see their lips move: "P-o-n-t-i-a-c" as they read the logo.

It seems strange to me that six years (well, OK, three years for the Coupe) after the car was introduced, some people still don't know what it is.

Strange, but cool! :cool:
 
#16 ·
It seems strange to me that six years (well, OK, three years for the Coupe) after the car was introduced, some people still don't know what it is.
I don't see that many Solstices of any kind on the streets around here, and I look for them, so no surprise that a casual observer may not have noticed them. I have only seen one other coupe 'in the wild' in Vancouver and a few others at the dealers when I was buying mine.
 
#18 ·
Saw the porthole car (fugly addition, IMO) at the dealer in Vancouver, but not on the street. Saw a dealer owned yellow coupe and another black coupe at a Pontiac show 2 years ago, and a black coupe lives in North Van, though I haven't actually seen it on the road.

So I guess I've seen 2 on the road, other than mine. Also saw 3 others at the dealer including a pretty blue (sadly an auto, or I'd have bought it) and a black without air that I test drove.
 
#19 ·
Other than seeing wspohn's & LiquidPT's at the Regionals meets, I've never seen another "in the wild"!
We are A Rare Breed!
Gotta Love It.

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'09 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe - (man.) Mysterious / Black - (NIICE) Vin: 000116
'09 Saturn Sky Redline - (auto.) Ltd. Ed. Hydro Blue - (COOOL) 1 of 49
 
#20 ·
This is the only car I've ever driven that attracks this much attention. Half way home from the purchase of this car, I pulled in to a roadside rest stop and as I get of the car people approach me with "wow what a beautiful car" and "what is it". Part of the fascination people have with the car is they really don't know what it is. You see a rare Ferrari and you know it is a Ferrari, they see a Solstice coupe and they just don't know what it is.

I live near a road that is not far from the local "cruise night" road. Just for fun I drove slowly through one of the burger joints packed with various hot rods. You could see the conversations stopping and heads turning with the "what's that" looks on their faces. Priceless!

I am having one problem. The car attracts "boy racers" on the road, but the 2.4 NA coupe doesn't have the power to dice with tuned cars. There are superchager kits but none seem to fit the 2009 automatic, although automatics from other years have kits offerred. Anyone know why there is nothing offered for the '09 automatic.
 
#21 ·
There are superchager kits but none seem to fit the 2009 automatic, although automatics from other years have kits offerred. Anyone know why there is nothing offered for the '09 automatic.
You sure? Contact DDM, noticed their 2.4 supercharger section doesn't list years or transmissions.
 
#23 · (Edited)
We just applied for title/registration here in Colorado, that was interesting. While my insurance had no problem identifying the vin as an '09 Solstice GXP Coupe, the Colorado DOT could not do so. It popped up that it was a Pontiac, then began listing a bunch of vehicles, none of which were our Make/Model. After showing her our insurance card showing the VIN/MAKE/MODEL/YEAR, showing her the BOS, and a copy of the factory to dealer invoice, we were able to proceed without the system identifying the vehicle. She said she has ran into this before, but only older, classic cars. This was probably the first newer vehicle this has ever happened. The system from what she said I think is linked to a general database, however it's hard to have every single vin situation covered, so when there is a vin issue like this, it's recorded so that the next time there would be a match. So we thought that was interesting....is this the only coupe in Colorado, or at least in our county/area?

In any case, I read all the collectability threads and while I believe the car is certainly rare and collectible for reasons beyond just the number of units made and the fact Pontiac is gone, it's not collectible in my mind with making some profit off it down the road. It will maintain value, may appreciate some as time goes on, but the fun of the car is that most people just have no idea what it is, never seen one before, so it draws attention, and it's darn fun to drive.

I think of this car as the best "bang for the buck" vehicle you can get.
 
#24 ·
Did you happen to get your car at Grand Auto GM/Buick in Thornton?

I flew there in July '09 to pick mine up. At the time mine was only the second one (first was Aggressive) they had seen and sold. They weren't sure they were even going to get another. A few months later they called and had gotten 3 others, 1 Mysterious, 1- Cool and 1 - I can't remember the color.
The salesman asked if I knew anybody interested in a Coupe. Said not at that time.
But, What a thrill it was driving & breaking in the first 1300 miles on the way home!
Now at 15,300 miles and lovin' every permagrin mile.:yesnod:
Definitely the Best Bang for the Buck buy I've ever made.:thumbs:

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'09 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe - (man.) Mysterious / Black - (NIICE) Vin: 000116
'09 Saturn Sky Redline - (auto.) Ltd. Ed. Hydro Blue - (COOOL) 1 of 49
 
#27 ·
:thumbs: all fixed. :thumbs:
 
#28 ·
Shadofax I'm glad you acquired what you were looking for, at least one of the few available. I too have been thrilled with ours and so much so we bought a Saturn Sky Redline also. Best of both world's.
The coupe is about 1 of 100 Mysterious GXP Manual and the Sky is 1 of 49 Hydro Blue RL's.
Love the unique collectable aspects of these cars. With a little over 107,000 Kappas ever made over 4 years, heck some cars make that many in one year.
And we like having something most folks don't get to see everyday.
Not just another, Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Subaru, Corvette, Camaro, Mustang,.....yada yada!

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'09 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe - (man.) Mysterious / Black - (NIICE) Vin: 000116
'09 Saturn Sky Redline - (auto.) Ltd. Ed. Hydro Blue - (COOOL) 1 of 49
 
#30 ·
For sure, thank you, and it's actually the wife's car. I'm just the one that is the gearhead, and honestly, you might find this funny, I am totally into this vehicle while my other vehicle that is mine is a pretty modified '95 Ford Bronco I have owned for 17 years, and still get more comments about it like you'd think the truck is a ferrari. It's probably obvious I appreciate this car, and will make sure she is one coupe that is as well taken car of as possible. Funny thing is, there isn't a lot of maintenance on these. All the steering, BJ's, driveshaft, no ZERKS. So you have oil/filter, with the 4k/year we plan to put on the car, maybe stock air filter every 4yrs or so.

I posted in the coupe area the merlot 2010 that is out on ebay....I'd love that car as it's a manual GXP coupe, and it is the very last coupe made based on the vin data posted here, but the price is a little overboard. And unlike some of you, no offense, I can't justify 2 of these. I can put drywall in the back of the bronco, go wheeling in the mountains of colorado, and our Subaru forester is the wife's daily driver. We have the love of Coupe though, no doubt. Oh, our friends also recently bought an '07 Sol convertible in bright red that they very much enjoy, so some outings will be in order.
 
#32 ·
Any Way to tell # Coupes in each state

Is there any way to figure out the number of coupes registered in each state?
It seems llike there are more in the the center of the country but it is hard to tell, it might just be where there is a larger population, there are more coupes.

Does anybody keep a registry of coupes by location?
 
#33 · (Edited)
Yes & no.

Yes, it's possible for a government agency to search for currently registered VINs.
And no because it's not legally required to renew a registration (Exception would be if insurance provider requires vehicle registration to maintain coverage/or claims).

Major credit reporting companies may also be able to generate a database but again, since vehicle registration isn't required by law the only information that will be displayed is last know registration information.

One of the credit reporting companies has a subsidary company called Check My Ride from Autocheck. Users most know the VIN and then for a fee it reveals the current location, or last known owner's location the VIN was registered in. But if a vehicle is totaled beyond repair it still may be purchased and parted out which means the VIN doesn't have to be registered.

Heck, I've even read of instances were highly valuable/collectible cars that bodies were damaged beyond repair where the VIN trim tag is removed, and attached to a similar body and rebuilt based on the VIN (because it's financial beneficial to do so).

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/24/stalk-your-old-car-like-your-old-girlfriend-with-check-my-ride/
 
#34 ·
And no because it's not legally required to renew a registration (Exception would be if insurance provider requires vehicle registration to maintain coverage/or claims).

...vehicle registration isn't required by law...
Huh? Everywhere I've ever lived (OK, that's only 2 states and 2 provinces) you need to pay a yearly registration fee and get updated tags for you license plate. Assuming you're planning on driving it, anyways. Is this not the case pretty much everywhere?
 
#36 ·
Number of Coupes on the road

Does anybody know how many Coupes are left on the road? I understand that there are a number of them that have been totalled.
 
#37 ·
Does anybody know how many Coupes are left on the road? I understand that there are a number of them that have been totalled.
No, no one has that information. There is no such repository of information in existence.
 
#38 ·
Prices then and now...

Currently there are 15 unique ads listing coupes for sale in the the major for auto sale media; Cars.com, Autotrader and EBAY. Prices ranged from $23k to $39K.

Two years ago when I was looking for a coupe, there were approximately 40 coupes listed for sale in the same media. Prices then ranged from about 19K to $39K.
That was August of 2012, just checked today there are 6 unique (no pun intended) cars for sale ranging in price from $24K to $44K. All were above $33k except for two 2.4 N/A automatics that were $24K.

The supply is getting pretty thin, so pricing should remain firm. When I bought mine I had to drive 100 miles to view/test/buy. Most people are looking at 500 to one 1000 mile treks if they want to buy one now. I bet within a year the minimum asking price for coupes moves up to near $30k.
 
#39 ·
Last summer, a local GM dealership had a GXP coupe (red-auto) for sale. They wanted $29,900 and had about 2900 miles on it. This last weekend, the dealership put some of their sports cars out on the lot. To my surprise, they still had the coupe, not sure what they want for it now.
 
#42 ·
Stop by the GM dealership today, and it's the same coupe that was on the lot last year.
Talk to the salesman about the coupe, and he said the price is still the same as last year. The salesman said, the offers he had were too low. The impression I got that he was pretty firm on the price.
 
#43 ·
Stop by the GM dealership today, and it's the same coupe that was on the lot last year...........
Apparently they are not trying to sell it very aggressively, they don't list it on their website. I've run into this before, a dealership taking offers but only willing to sell if they get a premium offer. Any idea what they are asking??
 
#44 ·
I think we're starting to see less advertised. Plus dealership used car departments tend to want newer used cars on their used car lot. I know for a fact I'm seeing less coupes advertised for sale on YT than years past.

Seems like coupes are starting to fall into two groups, owners & dealers who know that 1266 were made and use it to justify higher asking prices. Versus those who use NADA/KBB/Black Book to price them, because those are the ones that seem to sell very quickly.

As far as how many coupes are left, since GM has access to VIN information they probably could find out but I don't think they care. They'd probably also be able to find out how many were totaled, and reissued salvage titles. But again, why should they, we're part of old GM.